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Old 12-02-2008   #1
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Automatic Chain Lubrication Options

More chain oiler options, other than "ScottOiler"..

http://www.hawkeoiler.com/

http://www.pro-oiler.com/

http://www.cameleonoiler.com/index.p...tpage&Itemid=1

http://www.chainoiler.org.uk/

http://www.acumen-electronics.co.uk/...Anodised_79002

http://www.motrax.co.uk/index.php?pa...product_id=969

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Re: Automatic Chain Lubrication Options

I'm hurt....

You forgot one, the one that I have on my Bonnie and my KLR. It's less expensive that all the rest, lubes both sides of the chain run, is simple as a rock and just as reliable plus the instructions are fun....I believe it's made and packaged by some old hippies (like myself).

www.loobman.com

I use Vactra ISO-VG32 heavy way oil medium in mine. Way oil has an extremely high boundary film thickness and it don't fling off and it's cheap. It's used on machine slideways to prevent metal-to-metal contact and impart smooth motion..just what you desire in a chain.

Most all the oilers you list, with the exception of the Scottoiler use a drip tube directly on the rollers. That's all well and good if the chain speed is low, but at highway speed, centrifugal force throws the lubricant off before it gets to the side plates and 'O' rings...where is exactly where you want it...not on the tire, under the fender or on the rim or your pant leg.....

"O" ring chains need lubricant just like a conventional chain. "O" ring chains have grease between the rollers and pins from the factory, The 'o' rings keep the grease in and the 'o' rings impart friction as well. It's important to keep the 'o' rings lubed so the friction between, the ring and the side plate don't wear the ring and let the grease escape....Interesting, that's something most riders don't do and spray chain wax don't get in the space between the plate and 'o' ring and last very long. I gave up on thet crap a long time ago.

I rode the KLR almost 5,000 miles this season and I have NEVER adjusted the chain and it has exactly the same sag as it did when I got the bike with no miles on it. That is on road, off road, freeway...everything.

I like the Loobman setup so much, I ordered a couple extra ones and I installed them on my chain driven farm implements because lubricating the chains involves opening access doors and fiddling around. Now, I can just give the bottle a squeeze and go about my business...Just like the bikes.

The Scottoiler and the Loobman share the same applicator design, The applicatir rides the sprocket and the oil capillaries down the whiskers and gets deposited on each side of the sprocket. Then centrifugal force moves the lubricant to the chain run...right where you want it, under the side plates and direct to the 'O' rings.

The difference between the Loobman and the Scottoiler is price. The Loobman is manual and it's simple as a rock to use, whereas the Scottoiler is automatic. The Loobman is CHEAP, the Scottoiler isn't. Me, I'm into cheap and reliable and the Loobman is both. I have them on both bikes, KLR and Bonnie and I've never had problem one with either.

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Re: Automatic Chain Lubrication Options

Sorry Sidecar, don't know what went wrong. At the end of my post, where I say "And for the truly frugal"... is where the Loobman link should have been, my posting mistake. By "frugal" I mean where the smart money is going.

I agree, the Loobman is the most sensible one, and easiest to maintain as it's manual.

One note of possible, and expected, contention - new "O" ring chains may not need the constant lubrication as on the old style chains. May be best to simply keep them clean, and rust-free. That said, would it make any sense to just fill the Loobman with WD-40? Not for lubrication, but for rust prevention and cleaning?
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Sorry Sidecar, don't know what went wrong. At the end of my post, where I say "And for the truly frugal"... is where the Loobman link should have been, my posting mistake. By "frugal" I mean where the smart money is going.

I agree, the Loobman is the most sensible one, and easiest to maintain as it's manual.

One note of possible, and expected, contention - new "O" ring chains may not need the constant lubrication as on the old style chains. May be best to simply keep them clean, and rust-free. That said, would it make any sense to just fill the Loobman with WD-40? Not for lubrication, but for rust prevention and cleaning?
I was always under the assumption that 'O' ring chains don't need external lubrication other than ocassional cleaning to remove road crud, but if you look at the box they come in, and I'll cite 'DID' Chains....On the box, it states that they need to be lubricated as well.

There is a bit of physics involved. If, in the interest of pure efficiency and fuel mileage, an 'O' ring chain is inferior over a standard non 'O' ring variety, with conventional pins, side plates and rollers simply because the frictional power losses from an 'O' ring chain are greater. A well lubricated non 'O' ring chain will last as long and transmit power more efficiently.

An 'O' ring chain must have lubrication to keep the sliding friction between the rings and the side plates to a minimum and keep the rings pliable. There are a number of documented tests on the web that confirm that, as well as recommended and non recommend lubricants and even commercially available tools for that maintenance. WD-40 is a recommended lubricant, as well as ordinary motor oil. Personally, I wipe my chain run with a shop rag and WD, with the rear wheel elevated so I can spin the chain along...carefully. That removes the crud that the oiled chain picks up...the crud is abrasive and eventually grinds away at the rings, the rings that keep the factory lubricant contained between the pins and side plates.

I've never been a fan of 'chain wax' or any proprietary stuff like that. While 'chain wax seems like a good idea outwardly, it's regular preventive maintence that extends the life, not a spray it on anfd forget it mentaility...exactly what chain wax leads one to believe.

I've never seen a chain saw manufacturer that recommends chain wax for saw chains. They all recommend high film thickness oil. Saw chains are nothing more than non 'O' ring (conventional) roller chains with teeth attached to the side plates.

A good test to see just how well you are taking care of your final drive is to remove the rear wheel and pull the chain over the countershaft sprocket and observe the chain to see if it kinks. If it's lubed properly, it will be supple. If not, it kinks because of friction between the side plates and rings and that robs power and wears the ring prematurely.

That's why I like the Loobman. It's cheap, relatively easy to install, applies lubricant (of your choice) directly where it's required via the sprocket and centrifugal force and it's positive, you give it a squeeze and visually see the oil in the transfer area between the bottle and the feed tube, and you ride off while gravity sends the lubricant down the tube to the whiskers and on to the sprocket, which spins the lube to the side plates and rings. I like simple, reliable as a stone devices. Nothing to break, nothing to wear out and cheap.

I have a lot of people ask me 'what the bottle with the brown liquid is for', especially on the KLR, where it's readily seen, attached to a subframe down tube above the swingarm next to the sidecover, to which I reply...That's my go faster juice.....KLR's need all the 'Go Faster Juice' they can get.....
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Re: Automatic Chain Lubrication Options

Thanks Sidecar, great and useful information as always.

I guess I'm 'old-skool' as well, and still find Sunday morning bike maintenance theraputic. Can't beat a good hot cup of coffee, some decent tunes on the radio, and an hour of bike fiddling, cleaning and maintenance to soothe the soul.

I can see the "progress" theory in making a chain less maintenance prone, but agree that it could easily lead to long term neglect since it's 'too easy'. I say, keep it clean, corrosion free, and as long as you are not off-roading (excess dirt and debris) a little well planned and lightly applied oil never hurts.

+1 on the Loobman. It's impossible to beat simple and effective.
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